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	<title>Comments on: Jon and Kate Plus Eight&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Ain&#8217;t So Great!</title>
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		<title>By: BohemianMoon</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfromthemoon.com/2008/08/14/jon-and-kate-plus-eightaint-so-great/#comment-27592</link>
		<dc:creator>BohemianMoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenziekay~

&lt;strong&gt;I just think it’s a little over the top to find one website that supports your opinion and using it to validate your side of the argument and make them look like horrible people for utilizing fertility treatments. There is nothing unethical or unusual in the fact that they went through another course of fertility treatments after the twins.&lt;/strong&gt;

I am unsure of how much more clear I can make this for you.  I did a large amount of research before I wrote that entry.  I was citing the acceptable standard of care.  It was not knowledge garnered from one website.

As an aside, his name is Jon, as in Jonathan Gosselin, and not &quot;John&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenziekay~</p>
<p><strong>I just think it’s a little over the top to find one website that supports your opinion and using it to validate your side of the argument and make them look like horrible people for utilizing fertility treatments. There is nothing unethical or unusual in the fact that they went through another course of fertility treatments after the twins.</strong></p>
<p>I am unsure of how much more clear I can make this for you.  I did a large amount of research before I wrote that entry.  I was citing the acceptable standard of care.  It was not knowledge garnered from one website.</p>
<p>As an aside, his name is Jon, as in Jonathan Gosselin, and not &#8220;John&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: KenzieKay</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfromthemoon.com/2008/08/14/jon-and-kate-plus-eightaint-so-great/#comment-27585</link>
		<dc:creator>KenzieKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a matter of fact, I too have first hand experience with fertility treatments.  I also know that if a pre-existing condition exists, fertility specialists will go ahead with treatments well before the 25 age marker.  
Perhaps your Google references were not specific to a PCOS case, because it is true that there is a longer wait for women with no known fertility difficulties. 
However, i&#039;m not sure a search engine can confirm anything.  I can look up just about anything on the internet and find whatever answer I&#039;m looking for.
 Also, no fertility doctor on the planet is going to say &quot;you&#039;ve had your one conception, and that&#039;s it, no more for you.&quot;  As long as the woman is healthy and no complications are expected, they will allow a woman to go ahead and proceed with a second(or third, etc) attempt after a successful attempt. 

I do somewhat follow John and Kate, mostly because my roommate is into it, and often she is watching it while I&#039;m here.
I do not, however consider myself a &quot;fan&quot; by any means, and I believe those kids deserve a better life than having cameras in their face every time they turn around.

I just think it&#039;s a little over the top to find one website that supports your opinion and using it to validate your side of the argument and make them look like horrible people for utilizing fertility treatments.  There is nothing unethical or unusual in the fact that they went through another course of fertility treatments after the twins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a matter of fact, I too have first hand experience with fertility treatments.  I also know that if a pre-existing condition exists, fertility specialists will go ahead with treatments well before the 25 age marker.<br />
Perhaps your Google references were not specific to a PCOS case, because it is true that there is a longer wait for women with no known fertility difficulties.<br />
However, i&#8217;m not sure a search engine can confirm anything.  I can look up just about anything on the internet and find whatever answer I&#8217;m looking for.<br />
 Also, no fertility doctor on the planet is going to say &#8220;you&#8217;ve had your one conception, and that&#8217;s it, no more for you.&#8221;  As long as the woman is healthy and no complications are expected, they will allow a woman to go ahead and proceed with a second(or third, etc) attempt after a successful attempt. </p>
<p>I do somewhat follow John and Kate, mostly because my roommate is into it, and often she is watching it while I&#8217;m here.<br />
I do not, however consider myself a &#8220;fan&#8221; by any means, and I believe those kids deserve a better life than having cameras in their face every time they turn around.</p>
<p>I just think it&#8217;s a little over the top to find one website that supports your opinion and using it to validate your side of the argument and make them look like horrible people for utilizing fertility treatments.  There is nothing unethical or unusual in the fact that they went through another course of fertility treatments after the twins.</p>
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		<title>By: BohemianMoon</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfromthemoon.com/2008/08/14/jon-and-kate-plus-eightaint-so-great/#comment-27562</link>
		<dc:creator>BohemianMoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KenzieKay~

&lt;strong&gt;I know for a fact that that part of your post is BS, because I have first hand experience with the realms of fertility treatments and what doctors will and will not do. It is perfectly acceptable, normal, and common for a person to have more than one conception via fertility treatments.&lt;/strong&gt;

Any research on Google would confirm the standard of care I cited in my entry.  Take up the &quot;BS&quot; statement with the hundreds of doctors and fertility clinics that have stated the same as I since that is where I got my information.

&lt;strong&gt;That being said, how much else of your article did you make up or exaggerate to make a better story and get your more desired response?&lt;/strong&gt;

Since I wrote that entry almost a year ago, lol, you tell me.  I assume that you have followed this debacle since you obviously found my article, and you would have had to have found it through a Google search on Jon and Kate Plus Eight since, as I stated, it is almost a year old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KenzieKay~</p>
<p><strong>I know for a fact that that part of your post is BS, because I have first hand experience with the realms of fertility treatments and what doctors will and will not do. It is perfectly acceptable, normal, and common for a person to have more than one conception via fertility treatments.</strong></p>
<p>Any research on Google would confirm the standard of care I cited in my entry.  Take up the &#8220;BS&#8221; statement with the hundreds of doctors and fertility clinics that have stated the same as I since that is where I got my information.</p>
<p><strong>That being said, how much else of your article did you make up or exaggerate to make a better story and get your more desired response?</strong></p>
<p>Since I wrote that entry almost a year ago, lol, you tell me.  I assume that you have followed this debacle since you obviously found my article, and you would have had to have found it through a Google search on Jon and Kate Plus Eight since, as I stated, it is almost a year old.</p>
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		<title>By: KenzieKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>KenzieKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the children are subjected unfairly to the public eye and camera presence, and that Kate can be too much to deal with, however:
I don&#039;t know how much of your article i believe seeings how I myself suffer from PCOS (just like Kate), my sister has been through several courses of fertility treatments over the years, as well as my sister-in-law, AND i happen to have a close family friend who did in fact conceive on two different occasions on fertility treatments.  
I know for a fact that that part of your post is BS, because I have first hand experience with the realms of fertility treatments and what doctors will and will not do.  It is perfectly acceptable, normal, and common for a person to have more than one conception via fertility treatments.

That being said, how much else of your article did you make up or exaggerate to make a better story and get your more desired response?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the children are subjected unfairly to the public eye and camera presence, and that Kate can be too much to deal with, however:<br />
I don&#8217;t know how much of your article i believe seeings how I myself suffer from PCOS (just like Kate), my sister has been through several courses of fertility treatments over the years, as well as my sister-in-law, AND i happen to have a close family friend who did in fact conceive on two different occasions on fertility treatments.<br />
I know for a fact that that part of your post is BS, because I have first hand experience with the realms of fertility treatments and what doctors will and will not do.  It is perfectly acceptable, normal, and common for a person to have more than one conception via fertility treatments.</p>
<p>That being said, how much else of your article did you make up or exaggerate to make a better story and get your more desired response?</p>
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		<title>By: BohemianMoon</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfromthemoon.com/2008/08/14/jon-and-kate-plus-eightaint-so-great/#comment-27368</link>
		<dc:creator>BohemianMoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl~

&lt;strong&gt;I was however insulted at your comments in regard to infertility treatment protocol. I have 3 children all as a result of IVF and your “ethical” questions regarding the doctor are completely off track.&lt;/strong&gt;

I am unsure why you would have been since I never talked about IVF in relation to Kate Gosselin since she did IUI.

&lt;strong&gt;I also had a premature child and received aid on taxpayers dollars in regards to OT and PT but in know way does that mean I was negliegent in my responsability as a parent. I think you need to consider how narcistic you came off- kind of like Kate&lt;/strong&gt;

If you have ever read any of my blog and my personal opinion regarding Medicaid and Welfare, then you would know that I have absolutely no problem with it at all as long as it is used as a stepping stone to get to a better, more stable place.  I have never begrudged Jon and Kate Gosselin having a tax payer nurse for the first year of the sextuplets&#039; life.  My issue came in when ALL of the babies were healthy and Kate stated that (paraphrase) because society developed fertility drugs, it was society&#039;s duty to help take care of the children.  They appealed to the State, and lost their case, as they should have.  She could have very well taken that nurse away from a family who truly needed it, like yourself.  How would have you felt needing nursing care for a fragile pre-mature child, but you didn&#039;t receive that service because someone else that didn&#039;t NEED it, GOT it?  That was one of my issues with the Gosselins receiving tax payer monies when they didn&#039;t need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl~</p>
<p><strong>I was however insulted at your comments in regard to infertility treatment protocol. I have 3 children all as a result of IVF and your “ethical” questions regarding the doctor are completely off track.</strong></p>
<p>I am unsure why you would have been since I never talked about IVF in relation to Kate Gosselin since she did IUI.</p>
<p><strong>I also had a premature child and received aid on taxpayers dollars in regards to OT and PT but in know way does that mean I was negliegent in my responsability as a parent. I think you need to consider how narcistic you came off- kind of like Kate</strong></p>
<p>If you have ever read any of my blog and my personal opinion regarding Medicaid and Welfare, then you would know that I have absolutely no problem with it at all as long as it is used as a stepping stone to get to a better, more stable place.  I have never begrudged Jon and Kate Gosselin having a tax payer nurse for the first year of the sextuplets&#8217; life.  My issue came in when ALL of the babies were healthy and Kate stated that (paraphrase) because society developed fertility drugs, it was society&#8217;s duty to help take care of the children.  They appealed to the State, and lost their case, as they should have.  She could have very well taken that nurse away from a family who truly needed it, like yourself.  How would have you felt needing nursing care for a fragile pre-mature child, but you didn&#8217;t receive that service because someone else that didn&#8217;t NEED it, GOT it?  That was one of my issues with the Gosselins receiving tax payer monies when they didn&#8217;t need it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was linked to this website via another one and was intriqued by your blog.  I agree with you on many levels in regards to Kate&#039;s narcisstic behavior and lately am not a fan of her.  I was however insulted at your comments in regard to infertility treatment protocol.  I have 3 children all as a result of IVF and your &quot;ethical&quot; questions regarding the doctor are completely off track.   I also had a premature child and received aid on taxpayers dollars in regards to OT and PT but in know way does that mean I was negliegent in my responsability as a parent.  I think you need to consider how narcistic you came off- kind of like Kate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was linked to this website via another one and was intriqued by your blog.  I agree with you on many levels in regards to Kate&#8217;s narcisstic behavior and lately am not a fan of her.  I was however insulted at your comments in regard to infertility treatment protocol.  I have 3 children all as a result of IVF and your &#8220;ethical&#8221; questions regarding the doctor are completely off track.   I also had a premature child and received aid on taxpayers dollars in regards to OT and PT but in know way does that mean I was negliegent in my responsability as a parent.  I think you need to consider how narcistic you came off- kind of like Kate</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So i just started watching the show about 3 months ago.....my first thought was that they were good parents and kate was so organized and how she must not sit down all day!  But now that i have read this article...it all makes complete sense to me....and what i do not understand is they have made plenty of money why can&#039;t they just stop the show.....they should have a pretty good savings account by now.....i can&#039;t compare to having 6 kids at once...but i do have two kids one is a special needs little boy that takes a lot of my time...i am not able to work and my husband is working his butt off making 30,000 a year to support us....Our son has tons of medical needs and it is not easy to pay for everything he needs....but we do it....all by ourselves...we aren&#039;t in a huge brand new house and we drive run down cars to get around, but we are making it and we are happy with what we got....and hey guess what else..all our furniture throughout our whole is is mixmatched and used....and i love it!!!!!!!  it works and that&#039;s all that matters right......i could send my story in to a t.v. show saying that my life is soo hard and  it&#039;s too hard to support a child that needs a ton of medical attention...and get a lot of new things like house and car and lots of money so i can go to spas and vacations all the time...but is it  worth having cameras around you all day....where is the privacy?...i love being with my family alone and knowing that no one is watching.......I would have had a lot more sympathy for Kate if she drew the line and said...enough is enough we are not doing another show no matter what....my family comes first....but she is still going at it....that&#039;s pretty selfish of her and i hope she pulls her head out of her ass while those kids are still little cuz before you know it...they will be all grown up and living their own lives and she is really gonna feel bad for missing out on the real true good times alone with her little ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So i just started watching the show about 3 months ago&#8230;..my first thought was that they were good parents and kate was so organized and how she must not sit down all day!  But now that i have read this article&#8230;it all makes complete sense to me&#8230;.and what i do not understand is they have made plenty of money why can&#8217;t they just stop the show&#8230;..they should have a pretty good savings account by now&#8230;..i can&#8217;t compare to having 6 kids at once&#8230;but i do have two kids one is a special needs little boy that takes a lot of my time&#8230;i am not able to work and my husband is working his butt off making 30,000 a year to support us&#8230;.Our son has tons of medical needs and it is not easy to pay for everything he needs&#8230;.but we do it&#8230;.all by ourselves&#8230;we aren&#8217;t in a huge brand new house and we drive run down cars to get around, but we are making it and we are happy with what we got&#8230;.and hey guess what else..all our furniture throughout our whole is is mixmatched and used&#8230;.and i love it!!!!!!!  it works and that&#8217;s all that matters right&#8230;&#8230;i could send my story in to a t.v. show saying that my life is soo hard and  it&#8217;s too hard to support a child that needs a ton of medical attention&#8230;and get a lot of new things like house and car and lots of money so i can go to spas and vacations all the time&#8230;but is it  worth having cameras around you all day&#8230;.where is the privacy?&#8230;i love being with my family alone and knowing that no one is watching&#8230;&#8230;.I would have had a lot more sympathy for Kate if she drew the line and said&#8230;enough is enough we are not doing another show no matter what&#8230;.my family comes first&#8230;.but she is still going at it&#8230;.that&#8217;s pretty selfish of her and i hope she pulls her head out of her ass while those kids are still little cuz before you know it&#8230;they will be all grown up and living their own lives and she is really gonna feel bad for missing out on the real true good times alone with her little ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfromthemoon.com/2008/08/14/jon-and-kate-plus-eightaint-so-great/#comment-20012</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 02:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the fuss over the supposed affairs is crazy. Are they thinking they are huge stars now? For the last two weeks I have noticed that Jon and Kate have each been on the US Weekly magazine cover and they are wearing S4 sunglasses to create that &quot;star&quot; persona. It&#039;s just weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the fuss over the supposed affairs is crazy. Are they thinking they are huge stars now? For the last two weeks I have noticed that Jon and Kate have each been on the US Weekly magazine cover and they are wearing S4 sunglasses to create that &#8220;star&#8221; persona. It&#8217;s just weird.</p>
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		<title>By: TVsnark</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfromthemoon.com/2008/08/14/jon-and-kate-plus-eightaint-so-great/#comment-17275</link>
		<dc:creator>TVsnark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 04:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fan-no-more:
Welcome. You are wise beyond your years and we are glad you found us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fan-no-more:<br />
Welcome. You are wise beyond your years and we are glad you found us.</p>
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		<title>By: BohemianMoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>BohemianMoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 03:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fan-no-more~
&lt;strong&gt;
I apologize if my thoughts are scattered or do not make sense, it’s been a really long day! But I thank you again for opening my eyes!!&lt;/strong&gt;

You are perfectly coherent! WELCOME TO THE DARK SIDE (MUHAHHAHAHAHAHA), we are happy you are here! :)

(And you don&#039;t have to have kids to know what the Gosselins have done is beyond wrong.  Common sense, but not children!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fan-no-more~<br />
<strong><br />
I apologize if my thoughts are scattered or do not make sense, it’s been a really long day! But I thank you again for opening my eyes!!</strong></p>
<p>You are perfectly coherent! WELCOME TO THE DARK SIDE (MUHAHHAHAHAHAHA), we are happy you are here! <img src='http://www.musingsfromthemoon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(And you don&#8217;t have to have kids to know what the Gosselins have done is beyond wrong.  Common sense, but not children!)</p>
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