He is Looking Relatively “Healthy”, Upbeat and Happy Just Days Before His Death~
Jul 3rd, 2009 by BohemianMoon
VIDEO OF MICHAEL’S REHEARSAL:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2009/07/rehearsal-footage-shows-an-active-dancing-michael-jackson.html
With the DEA joining forces with the medical examiner’s office to try and ascertain who had been providing Michael Jackson with the numerous drugs it is being reported he was allegedly being supplied with, including the dangerous drug Propofol (a potent drug used for surgical anesthesia), which was found at his home, who is at fault? Where does the onus lie? Squarely on Michael Jackson as any doctor, nurse, body guard or entourage in his employ was simply following orders from their employer, or are they (perhaps criminally) at fault as well for being enablers?
Regarding the children, apparently Debbie Rowe, the mother of Jackson’s two older children is surfacing and will, perhaps, move for custody of “her” children, even though she gave up her parental rights long ago and the children have no relationship with her whatsoever, not to mention she was left completely out of Michael’s will.
I am not a proponent of her receiving custody of the two older children, full stop, and I am certainly against breaking up the children in any way, shape or form. Because when the first two children were born she and Michael were married and are on the birth certificates as the mother and father (even though those children are not biologically Michael’s [duh!], do you feel she has right to those children? If she goes forward with the suit, do you feel that she will receive custody?
I do know that it would be my hope that those children will never be around Joe Jackson, and Michael’s mother, Katherine (who doesn’t presently live with Joe) is getting a bit too up in years to be mothering young children full time, IMO, but it is reported that she is close with her grandchildren and Michael clearly adored her.
She did not, however, protect any of her children from the physical beast known as Joe. Could Katherine be trusted to protect those “babies” from Joe?
Diana Ross was named in the will as a possible custodian of the children should Katherine not be alive or well enough to care for them, however Diana Ross is getting up there as well, at 64 years old, presently.
And what about the long time nanny? Should she just be expected to walk away should no one want to retain her services to continue in the care of the three Jackson heirs?
The aftermath of Michael’s death gets crazier by the minute and I am sure that there is much more to come, unfortunately.
Your thoughts?
I’m a fan of children being raised by the best people possible, regardless of biological relation. Despite her advanced years, I’d say that their grandmother would be the best guardian, and not their “mother” who hasn’t even been in their lives for years. I have a feeling that the court may give them to Rowe, however.
I firmly believe that DNA does not make a good parent. Debbie Rowe has no business trying to be a parent now. She knows absolutely nothing about them. And splitting them up would double the trauma they’ve already endured.
I think the nanny would best protect them but I also think Katherine should be a huge part of their lives as well. These are the 2 women these children best know and trust.
Joe Jackson should be banned from being within 10 feet of them. He is incapable of loving anything or anyone other than himself. Wait, has he met K8 yet?
I had just finished reading about this before I logged on here.
I watched the video of the rehearsal. He looks OK except he is exceptionally thin. That would worry me if I was someone who was with him every day. That’s not healthy. It turns out he was taking prescription drugs that shouldn’t have been allowed in his home. It brings to mind Anna Nicole Smith, Elvis Presley, etc., and the dirty, no good doctors these celebrities employ. Money buys a lot. It can even buy doctor’s with no integrity.
The children are my worry right now. They should under no circumstance be split up. It doesn’t matter who their ‘blood’ is, they are siblings in every sense of the word. But where should they go? To Debbie?? Absolutely not! She has never been a mother and she even tried to legally give up any right she had to her own children. There is no feeling there. She’s still wavering on the “should I?’. If you’re wavering, don’t do it.
This whole thing is so sad. I hope decisions can be made peacefully and with the best interests of the children. I have heard Diana Ross’s children speak of what kind of a mother she was to them. They said she was ALWAYS the best mother anyone could ask for. Micheal saw this. So if anything happens with Katherine, Diana would get the children which would be a good thing. I just hope the nanny, (yes, Kate, a nanny) can stay in their lives.
She did not, however, protect any of her children from the physical beast known as Joe. Could Katherine be trusted to protect those “babies” from Joe?
That would be my biggest concern. When I look in that man’s eyes I see pure evil.
What about Janet or Tito? Or Jermaine or Randy? How about La Toya or Rebe?? oooh, I’m missing one. Jimmy? no, wrong overloaded family? Don . . . nooo!
Anybody???
I would think they would have some kind of relationship with their cousins and maybe Kathryn is named because she’s the “matriarch.”
Kerry~
I’m a fan of children being raised by the best people possible, regardless of biological relation. Despite her advanced years, I’d say that their grandmother would be the best guardian, and not their “mother” who hasn’t even been in their lives for years. I have a feeling that the court may give them to Rowe, however.
I agree and I do hope that the nanny that is reported to be so close to all of the children, is kept on to continue to take care of them, along with their grandmother.
TVsnark~
That would be my biggest concern. When I look in that man’s eyes I see pure evil.
What about Janet or Tito? Or Jermaine or Randy? How about La Toya or Rebe??
Well there is the little issue that Michael didn’t name any of them as potential guardians in his will, and off the bat legally, they would have to petition the court to be considered for custody. Perhaps they will.
I do know that Debbie Rowe should not even be an option and I feel if she is truly thinking about this, she certainly doesn’t have the best interest of the children at heart. Money yes, children no, IMO.
I say keep them as far away from Joe Jackson as possible. I saw a video clip of him on the red carpet for the BET awards and he was promoting his record company. His son had just died! I wouldn’t put it past him to get those kids involved in some sort of Gosselinesque sideshow. It doesn’t seem like Michael had any stable people surrounding him, only hangers-on who were interested in his money. Sounds like someone else we know, huh?
Since Joe was left out of the will, he will be moving back in with Katherine if she does get custody – anything for a buck. Katherine is almost 80, too old for this.
Apparently Debbie Rowe is seeking custody, and offered to take “Blanket” as well. She is also seeking a restraining order against Joe. She may be smarter than we think.
Those two older kids look so much alike. I wonder if they were embryos created at the same time but “percolated” separately. In other words, fraternal twins.
Denny~
Apparently Debbie Rowe is seeking custody, and offered to take “Blanket” as well. She is also seeking a restraining order against Joe. She may be smarter than we think.
I agree that Joe is an issue and that there is always the possibility of him moving back if Katherine does receive custody…………I simply think that Debbie Rowe does not deserve to parent those kids, no matter if she carried them or not. She wqas quick enough to get paid off and all but disappear, until she wanted to make a few more bucks, then she would surface again and threaten a custody suit until she was paid and once again she would slither away.
Oh, I don’t think Debbie is a good choice at all but when you look at the rest…….
None of the Jackson “kids” seem very stable, Dianna Ross said she didn’t even know the children. Where else do you look? The nanny has said some strange things, too.
I’ve watched the video of MJ’s last rehearsal several times today and it just gives me goose-bumps. What an incredible talent! I just LOVED to watch him dance!
I have mixed feelings about this guy, though, and do believe that he was one person in his personal life and another when on stage. On stage . . . he was just MAGIC! Pure MAGIC!
As for MJ’s kids, Debbie Rowe has no right to them. And Joe Jackson is shameless in his opportunism and lack of grief in the wake of his son’s death.
Don’t know what is going to happen next, but gosh – this is a tragedy.
Who’s the Jackson Brother I’m forgetting??
Michael, Tito, Jermaine, Randy . . .???
I don’t feel that Debbie wants the kids at all, but is hoping the Jackson’s will pay her off to drop her suit. This tactic has paid off for her in the past so why not try it again.
I do feel the kids belong with their true family, the Jacksons and should not be separated from their younger brother.
TVSnark –
Marlon?
TVSnark,
From Wikipedia – The Jackson children:
Rebbie, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, La Toya, Marlon, Brandon (died at birth), Michael, Randy, and Janet.
My opinion … they lived with a bizarre, eccentric pedophile who believed he was Peter Pan, cut off his own nose and made them wear blankets on their heads and dangled them off balconys. How much worse can it get? Rowe couldn’t get custody of Bubbles the chimp now, let alone 3 screwed up kids. Her incubator has sailed. They’ll stay with MJ’s mom..betcha.
Robin~
Welcome to Musings~
I don’t feel that Debbie wants the kids at all, but is hoping the Jackson’s will pay her off to drop her suit. This tactic has paid off for her in the past so why not try it again.
I do feel the kids belong with their true family, the Jacksons and should not be separated from their younger brother.
I agree on both counts!
Marlon. Thanks.
Just went blank and wanted my brain to get it (and was too lazy to look it up.)
Has anybody EVER met somebody named Marlon? Besides Wayons and Brando?? Just asking.
aaah, it’s Jackie I forgot. I don’t think Marlon was part of the Jackson 5. Jackie Jackson. ha ha ha
#13 Robin
I don’t feel that Debbie wants the kids at all, but is hoping the Jackson’s will pay her off to drop her suit. This tactic has paid off for her in the past so why not try it again.
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Robin – I agree! Those were my exact thoughts too when I heard about this on the radio today.
I know those kids better than Debbie Rowe does, why don’t I petition for custody?
They’d get a normal, quiet life without the drama that surrounds the Jackson family.
Unfortunately, no one around those children right now has their best interests at heart. How sad it is that they’re grieving the loss of their father and have to deal with this tug of war over them from people they don’t know or shouldn’t be around.
Certainly not Debbie. She was willing to cook them and then hand them over for a cool 8 million and has been seen in interviews saying she isn’t the mother type.
A judge over rode her wishes and reinstated her parental rights some time back. Does that mean she should get them? NO.
When it is deemed Katherine has full custody, the thing to do would be to change her will and make her own provisions for the kids. If she were to die before they reach the age of majority, regardless of Michael’s will at that point, she could designate the next guardian.
I just think these poor kids may end up being seen as nothing more than 3 little cash registers.
Maybe Take will petition for custody.
I personally think these kids need almost all the family to get throught this. Yes, the Jackson do have their oddities, but they are these kids family.
I don’t want Joe within a mile of them, but then again the way he acted at the BET awards after his son died speaks volumes on his behavior. I think they should start developing a relationship with Debbie Rowe also, even if they only go out to breakfast with her once a week. I don’t think its all about money right now with her. In the past, yeah, definently.
Also, the court should appoint a guardian for these kids, no matter what the final outcome is. Someone else should be looking out for their wellbeing in addition to the family.
Personally I feel the most sane Jackson to be Randy. But I’m not sure he is equipped to handle three kids in his life right now. I feel the best thing would be to have Katherine have custody, with the Nanny caring for them. It’s only a few more years before the oldest are adults, and I’m sure they would help care for their little brother as well. If the judge who grants this has any sense, he will set a guardian on the childrens finances, and in effect bar Joe from being able to touch anything.
There don’t seem to be any really great options for custody where these children are concerned. I thought it interesting that when interviewed Joe Jackson said the children “hadn’t been around other children.” They haven’t attended school. How very sad. I think it’s possible that Debbie was a surrogate, even though married to MJ. Maybe that explains her emotional distance. I hope they perform DNA tests on all parties involved. Separating these kids would be disastrous. The Jackson’s are a large family, so Katherine Jackson would most likely have help and support from other family members in raising these kids. I agree with Debbie Rowe on one point. There should be a restraining order against Joe Jackson coming anywhere near these kids.
Does anyone else think Debbie Rowe and Linda Trip are twins that were separated at birth? Man, that Debbie Rowe is a very UN-attractive woman…how she produced those beautiful children is a mystery…..I really wonder if those kids are biologically MJs…they bare no resemblance to him as a child….at all!!!…
the blonde child…I think it is the middle child almost looks as if his hair was dyed or bleached…he has very dark roots.
It is curious that none of the three kids seem to look African-American at all. But then again, Nicole Ritchie is half black and has no prominent African-American features….
I watched a segment on one of the morning shows with Ryan White’s mother. Michael did so much for Ryan and his family. He made Ryan’s last months on earth very special. Three days after he died….MJ wrote a song about Ryan called “Gone Too Soon”…he also bought Ryan a 1989 mustang which was his favorite car.
I agree that the kids should stay with Katherine and then she can decide which of her children is the sanest and make provisions for the children to live with them after she is unable to.
I think it’s possible that Debbie was a surrogate, even though married to MJ.
By this, you mean that she’s not even biologically related to them either, right? She simply carried them but they were genetically someone else’s?
I’m just baffled by this whole situation with the children. Since I’d never really seen their faces, I’d assumed they were genetically half MJ’s and that Debbie Rowe had been artificially inseminated….at least with the 2 older children.
Why would MJ have wanted children that were not biologically his? He didn’t want them to be bi-racial?
I’m just totally confused here. If he’d wanted children that were not biologically related to him, why didn’t he simply adopt children?
I am a “product” of fifties and sixties rock and roll. Although I do recognize MJ’s genius, I was not one to buy any of his records, etc. What concerns me is that he was given a beautiful face and body by God’s will, and the mutilation of his face and the whitening of his skin is totally beyond any common sense to me.
When Elvis died, my whole world just exploded! I was 12 years old when I bought my first Elvis album, in 1956. I adored him! I met Elvis in 1962, when he was filming “Kid Galahad” in Idyllwild, California, where we had our summer cabin. My mother heard that he was filming just down the road from our cabin, she grabbed me and we strolled, well ran, down the road to meet him. He was so gracious, said “hello, how are you doing?” We just stood there and gaped at him, he was so handsome! Not the bloated drug addled person he became.
Elvis was a prime example of prescription drug abuse, it destroyed him, and no one in his entourage or his family would confront him with his addictions. Just like Michael Jackson.
Fame and fortune does not mean happiness. At least when Elvis died, there was not the circus that the death of MJ has become. Are you singing together in heaven, you two? I sincerely hope so. What a heavenly concert that would be!
Sorry, I’m so behind on some of the facets of this MJ story. I just did some reading, and apparently, it seems to be pretty much acknowledged that the children were not biologically his but as for Debbie Rowe, it seems that the issue of her biological relation to the older two is up in the air. However, on TMZ it was noted that she’s volunteered to take a DNA test to prove the first two are definitely hers, so I’m gonna conclude that they probably are.
I was just stunned, actually, when I saw a photo of the children with their faces uncovered. They clearly did not look remotely related to MJ and I’d always assumed that his sperm had been used to artificially inseminate the mothers. At this point, I’m rather baffled as to why he’d not done this….in the absence of any evidence that he was physiologically unable to, of course.
OK, so the consensus seems to be that they are not biologically his. Why, I have no idea…since a simple artificial insemination could have accomplished this. It just really threw me when I saw the photo of the children as it had just never occurred to me that they were not biologically his….though yes, I had assumed he’d not actually slept with Debbie Rowe in order to father them.
I’m simply at a loss to figure out why he’d chosen to not be the biological father.
I’ll have to do some reading on the whole background of Debbie Rowe’s involvement to comment on what I think regarding her and the future of the children.
I also need to read more on the meds found in MJ’s home, as I’d not realized that they’d actually found propofol there, though I had heard that a nurse practitioner had claimed he’d wanted her to rx it for him.
At this point, since they took so long to call 911, I’m rather surprised that they didn’t get all the drugs/meds out of the house before they arrived.
I mean, I’d assumed that one of the reasons for taking so long to call 911 would be to clean out all the evidence (at least the really incriminating ones).
Anyone who has taken a basic genetics course in college can tell you that none of the three children of Michael’s are his biological children. Recessive and dominant genes don’t work that way.
BUT that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t the better parent between himself and Debbie Rowe who basically had the kids (and to whom I believe she bears a striking resemblence) and gave them away for money. Bought and paid for. And as to Blanket, I watched the infamous interview just yesterday by Martin and at one point MJ says he does not know the mother of the child, Blanket, although he is the sperm donor (“It was my sperm cells”) and at another point he says that she was a black woman and he had a relationship with her. Who knows the truth, but genetics will out there, as well.
I could not care less about the color of anyone’s skin. I am just pointing out the deliberate duplicity on the part of the MJ machine and I don’t get why they would put out such obvious tales. So he wanted children, but was asexual — we could understand that.
Katherine Jackson has been around all three kids and probably is the best guardian for them (with Ross as a back up), but I am terribly afraid of Joe Jackson and the fact that Katerine apparently stood by all those years and let him beat and emotionally batter her own kids. Does she have spine enough at this advanced age to stand up to him for MJ’s kids’ sakes?
#30Virginia
Katherine Jackson has been around all three kids and probably is the best guardian for them (with Ross as a back up), but I am terribly afraid of Joe Jackson and the fact that Katerine apparently stood by all those years and let him beat and emotionally batter her own kids. Does she have spine enough at this advanced age to stand up to him for MJ’s kids’ sakes?
I think we have to remember that when Joe Jackson ruled that household it was a different era for abusers and their families. Households were forced by a male dominated society to put up with them!
In the 50’s – early 70’s when the Jackson children grew up the media did not report on child/spousal abuse as it does today. There just was no support of police or shelters. Even women’s rights was just taking hold. Plus, I’m sure Katherine, during this time probably never realized the situation was offensive. She herself grew up in a time when beating your children senseless (and the other parent stayed silent) was considered normal. I think now she will do better for her grandchildren.
I have no problem with the children going to Debbie Rowe, I feel as if she was strong armed to sign away her parental rights.
If Joe would be out of the picture, with the exception of supervised visitation, I think it could be a loving, stable environment with grandma. She is getting on in years but plenty of grandparents have raised their grandchildren and done a fine job.
I would be surprised in Diana Ross received them, she is not family, and not in their lives regularly. She is in my opinion, very self centered and not the right choice.
Hopefully whoever gets awarded the children will take the nanny on as well. Maybe this was in the will?
Ambivalent~
I have no problem with the children going to Debbie Rowe, I feel as if she was strong armed to sign away her parental rights.
She accepted 8.5 million dollars, I believe, in exchange for her children. If she was strong armed, they certainly didn’t twist it too hard unless she was holding out for a larger sum.
Go figure!!! Everyone comes out of the woodwork when a celb. passes. Debbie Rowe is now looking for custody…..another one who wants 15 mins of fame. She sold her kids to Michael. She no longer has parentel rights!! Joe is a concern. I think Diana should have the kids…It amazes me he did not leave a brother or sister to raise them but I am sure he had his reasons. No matter what bad press he received in the past, I do think he wanted the best for his children……..another long drawn out story will surface.
#30Virginia
Anyone who has taken a basic genetics course in college can tell you that none of the three children of Michael’s are his biological children. Recessive and dominant genes don’t work that way.
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Virginia….I agree with you 100% but I am living proof that it doesn’t always work that way. I am one of three children that had a Japanese mother and an Irish/German father. I do not look Asian AT ALL….I have absolutely zero Asian features…..I was a blonde child and have very light eyes. One of my two siblings looks 100% Asian, one looks 50% and then there is me who looks 100% caucasian…….my kids and their cousins are very fair, one being a toehead. Genetics is a weird thing…..and it is not absolute. I can see the two from Debbie Rowe being his (possibly) but if the third is 100% African American…..someone has some “splaining” to do!
I read somewhere that the children are not biologically his nor Debbie Rowe’s and that paperwork had never been filed for him to formally adopt them. I can’t remember where I read that and certainly have no idea if it’s accurate or not but I hope it doesn’t throw another wrench into an already unfortunate situation.
Just watched 20/20, a special on Michael Jackson. They had some very touching footage of Michael with his two oldest children when they were perhaps 4 & 5 years old.
It was reported on 20/20 that Debbie Rowe worked for a dermitalogist, whom later became Michaels dermitalogist and that is how he met her. Anyhow there is speculation that Debbie Rowe and this dermitalogist (forgot his name, I believe it was Kaplan or something like that) are the biological parents of Michaels two oldest children. They showed pics of the two oldest kids next to the dermitalogist and there WAS a striking resemblence. The children do both look an awful lot alike and I would say at the very least they do have the same father whether it be him or not.
A pap guy that had been following Michael for years reported that Micheal would regularly go to this dermitalogist office and sometimes would take the children with him??
Nothing was mentioned about the younger boy and no footage was shown of him.
Having seen the picture on TV of the dermatologist Rowe worked for, I can easily believe that he is the father of the two oldest MJ kids and Rowe the mother. Why they don’t just say that instead of all the crap is what I don’t understand. It isn’t as if the kids needed to be biologically connected to MJ for him to adopt them in CA, is it? I’m not familiar with the laws at all out there.
If you have ever seen pictures of what Michael would’ve looked like had he not had surgery or any of his lightening procedures, I think some people would be surprised at how very dark his skin actually was and how African (if I may use that word) he would’ve appeared. As evidenced by his brothers who may have had nose jobs, but appear not to have lightened their skin in any way, the Jackson clan do not have caucasian features at all. So what? All that means is that he can not have passed on the overwhelmingly caucasian genes necessary for the two oldest kids (or Blanket) to be as snow white as they are.
Look at the beautiful little girl of Halle Berry. Halle is somewhat light skinned as her mother (I think it was her mother) is white. The little girl’s father is a caucasian male model. Yet the child still has the beautiful traits of both races. In fact, the darker genes will out. They are dominant. The same is true with Seal’s children with his wife Heidi Klum.
I know that Asian genes are dominant and I think we can see that with even the Gosselin kids who are only 1/4 Korean. So I’m not sure why the poster above is blue eyed and blonde with Asians prevelant in her family. That is unusual.
What I can’t understand is why all the mystery? From what we’ve seen of little Blanket, there is very little truth in MJ’s assertion (although he contradicted it later in an interview) that he is Blanket’s dad and Blanket’s mother is black, although light-skinned. Why does he care that much about it to lie?
Everything saying that MJ is not the Father is tabloid based or sourced from tabloid. I know a few biracial families with black Fathers, and white Mothers, and in one family the kids are blond hair, blue eyed, light skin. The children are most likely, very much his biologically. Who’s to say, but regardless, MJ raised them and they are his kids. He is their Father.
Speaking of Debbie Rowe,on the news they were talking about his will & MJ said in the will “I specifically,intentionally omit to provide for Deborah Jean Rowe Jackson”. He wanted to make sure she had no avenue to go down,in regards to getting any money. He succeeded.
MJ probably did not want to run the risk that any of his children would remotely look like Joe at all.
That is why he is probably not their biological father.
He pretty much cut off his own African American nose to get away from those features. I do not believe he would chance fathering any children whom possibly could be born with the features he so hated.
He obviously was not taught as a child about inner love, his father was to busy smacking the whip in his hand telling him and his brothers how it should be done and his mother was sadly silent.
I saw a clip of Joe after Michael came out with his allegations against him….he was being interviewed and was asked about standing over the children threatening them with the whip for mistakes in their performance and when asked if the children were terrified he said, yea, they were scared all right, scared while they were on their way to the bank! He truly believes his kids would of done anything for the money, like he. Very sad……
She accepted 8.5 million dollars, I believe, in exchange for her children. If she was strong armed, they certainly didn’t twist it too hard unless she was holding out for a larger sum.
I do understand that she accepted a very large sum of money from Michael, it could not have been easy to say no to a “machine” like the MJ machine. She has not really sought out publicity until now and maybe has realized what a mistake she made initially.
I also believe that the families of the children who were acusing Michael of child molestation were steam rolled by the MJ camp. If I were in that position, I don’t know what I would do. Have financial security and save ny child from the press and the heartache of going to court to re-expalin a very painful situation or get the $$$ to pay for therapy and move on.
I personally would not give my childen up for any amount of money but I can see how Michaels “people” could be convincing. She may have felt she had no power in the situation.
It does look very bad for her to seek custody considering her past decisions, but looking at the alternatives, I think she should be considered. kudos to her for not wanting to split the siblings up.
sorry, the first paragraph was from Moon. I didn’t BOLD it. (after having worked 12 hours and had 2 glasses of wine)
Dlisted has a video of a shadow or something walking past a hallway at Neverland ranch.
It is at the top of the front page.
Heidi- I can’t access video right now. Are you saying Michael Jackson’s ghost?!? Btw- I hope you feel better soon. Ear infections suck.